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@@'s Small Suggestion Thread

Postby @@ » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:59 pm

My Suggestion Thread (for things that are easy to fix/implement)!

Open-Ended Issues:

1.The Thread Graveyard counting posts. Was there a decision to make the thread graveyard do this? I know it is defaulted as counting posts, but if anything it really shouldn't. This is a very easy fix but requires an admin.
2. Implementing a quick reply feature. This has not been addressed by any moderators or administrators.
3. Adding forum ranks (ranks that change by post count). This has been minimally debated between another ordinary user and I. This has not been addressed by any moderators or administrators.
4. Advanced search features. One feature, searching by pack has been addressed saying that you guys may be implementing this in the future, however the other suggested searches have not been addressed, those being: Simfile Author, Song Author, and song length.
5. Going on tapatalk. Has not been addressed by any admins/moderators.
6. Like button on main page. Has not been addressed by any admins/moderators.

Closed Issues:

1. Got rid of the "Technology" section of the forum.
2. Separating different charts for the same song will be implemented in the future.
3. While donations are a kind idea, the owner of this site does not see the need for this.
4. Add a marquee button. This is a small issue but it hasn't been addressed by any moderators or administrators.
5. Liking Posts, should this be a feature to be implemented? It has been agreed below that it would not be a bad idea but this has not implemented so I am not sure how the admins feel on this issue.
6. Free-For-All/Forum Game area that doesn't count towards post count. This was alluded to briefly but not addressed by anyone really.
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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby Izzy » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:02 am

*sigh*

Just my OCD at work, but the forum sections seemed unbalanced and that section needed another board. Have any ideas what I could replace it with?

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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby @@ » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:57 am

First thought is a "free for all"

but that would probably be a bad idea in the long run.

I remember there was a place in the old smo like "The Graveyard" or something where locked posts went so you could see what not to post. That may be useful.
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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby foxfire667 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:03 am

Well, there are quite a few people I've met on SMO who seem to speak Spanish as their primary language. Perhaps general discussion could have a Spanish category, so that people can post threads and talk to others, and not have to worry about people not understanding them.
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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby @@ » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:10 pm

I really don't want to keep having to make one sentence threads with small suggestions, so I think I am going to make this thread any small suggestions I have.

Another small suggestion: being able to like posts
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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby Cube » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:28 pm

@_@ wrote:I really don't want to keep having to make one sentence threads with small suggestions, so I think I am going to make this thread any small suggestions I have.

Another small suggestion: being able to like posts


What about adding thanks? We can change the word to like instead of course.

https://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/mod/thanks_for_posts/

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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby @@ » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:44 pm

pretty much what I mean is a feature to in some way highlight a user's post if it is constructive (or funny I guess, depending on where it is posted) so people can draw more attention to it. The thanks add on seems cool, it would probably be good.
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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby foxfire667 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:15 pm

@_@ wrote:pretty much what I mean is a feature to in some way highlight a user's post if it is constructive (or funny I guess, depending on where it is posted) so people can draw more attention to it. The thanks add on seems cool, it would probably be good.


Well the thanks add on would be pretty similar. As stated, it wouldn't have to actually say "thanks", it could say something else like "helpful" so it would fit into place quite well with your suggestion.

Perhaps it could actually go towards something, like a reputation for your posts.
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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby @@ » Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:35 pm

Small suggestion: I'm not sure if the feature is already implemented and there is just no way to change it, but another small suggestion is to make posts in the thread graveyard not count towards post count. that may deter from shit-posting a small amount.

From personal experience, Immaturity and the amount post count matters have a positive correlation.
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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby foxfire667 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:09 pm

@_@ wrote:another small suggestion is to make posts in the thread graveyard not count towards post count. that may deter from shit-posting a small amount.


Well owenviau1 has really been the only person who is consistently posting so badly (hence why he has been banned yet again). Although I'm not actually sure whether or not the thread graveyard increments post count. I think owenviau1's post count is around what it was before it's creation though, so it probably does. This isn't a huge issue, but if it is something an admin can quickly do than it would be nice (since I don't think I have the power to change it).
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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby @@ » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:06 am

Small Suggestion: Advanced search on the home page. I would like to be able to search by simfile author and by song author but those are currently not possible. Setting up some sort of advanced search link (like advanced search on forums as opposed to the quick search) would prevent the search section on the front page from getting too cluttered with search bars.

Things I'd like to be able to search for:
Simfile Author
Song Author
cdtitle
pack
song length

super micro suggestion I don't care about that much: rankings on the forum :D
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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby @@ » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:04 pm

I hate to double post, but I doubt a new suggestion would get any attention if I edited my previous post...


Besides the things I listed in my previous post, which I am unsure anyone really even looked at, it would be nice if different charts for the same song could be separated on the leaderboard. For example, for ageha, the leaderboard for the song is somewhat a mess because of the different steps for the song people play on. It would be pretty easy to separate the steps, I really doubt two files with the same exact amount of arrows total would be different.
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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby Cube » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:47 pm

There is something in the works that will allow to do this kind of stuff. It is currently impossible to search by pack... but that will change soon :)

The charts being separated is also part of this change as well.

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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby @@ » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:39 pm

Ok, well, this may or may not be at all helpful, but I remember there being a paypal donate button on the bottom right of old smo that had a little thing listing who has donated and stuff.

I'm not sure how much it takes to run this, but I see no disadvantages to having another one of those, especially seeing how many files you are hosting and the bandwidth it takes to download gigs and gigs of files.

Obviously, another low priority item. I would donate $5 also.
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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby Cube » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:08 am

Thanks for that suggestion. I'm sure many people would be happy to donate, but we are doing this for the love of SMO.

I'm sure houkouonchi would agree as well :)

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Re: Small Suggestion

Postby Izzy » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:38 am

The suggestion already came up in the past by people willing to donate and Houkouonchi has already denied the idea. He is surely grateful for the offer, but he doesn't seem to need financial help.

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Re: @@'s Small Suggestion Thread

Postby @@ » Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:56 am

Some more minor suggestions:

1. Implement a quick reply feature.
2. Add forum ranks (ranks that change by post count)
3. Add a marquee button (that's just for the lulz though).

There may be other extensions you find useful on the phpbb website, you may want to check them out (I assume you already have)
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Re: @@'s Small Suggestion Thread

Postby Kaya » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:17 pm

I think they are all alright suggestions, however forum rank could also be a bad one depending.

Forum ranking based off post count creates a situation where it encourages people to spam because they want to up their post count. We all know people who are like that I am sure, :roll: and as much as I think the rewards for being here a long time eventually, posting a lot of helpful things, or just being friendly would be good, maybe a post based system like that might not be the best idea.

But then again, we could also have forums that deduct post count if posted in, or if you move said post to that forum section, which could counter balance the spam.

I think banning someone over spam is a little harsh unless it's in excess, but anther option that could allow the post count reward system to would could be adding a couple more mods, and have them police the forums and every time that someone spams, add a counter to them like a point warning system, then on the 10th spam they get their post count manually knocked down by 30 posts. (Admins can change a persons post count with phpbb last I checked.) If they continue to spam again THEN ban them?

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Re: @@'s Small Suggestion Thread

Postby @@ » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:48 pm

Kaya wrote: Forum ranking based off post count creates a situation where it encourages people to spam because they want to up their post count. We all know people who are like that I am sure, :roll: and as much as I think the rewards for being here a long time eventually, posting a lot of helpful things, or just being friendly would be good, maybe a post based system like that might not be the best idea.


This is a rational thought process however this doesn't happen in practice. People tend to spam to increase their post count whether or not there is ranks involved. Forum ranks are just fun ways to see more easily how much a user posts on a forum, especially if there are images associated with them. Generally they don't "do" anything to a forum besides give it more of a community feel. In terms of posting, it will encourage users to post as they may want to increase rank, but with proper rules about spamming in place, people won't spam (at least people that people like won't spam), meaning people will be more encouraged to post quality things, making a forum more active. I have never seen forum ranks lead to problems on any forum ever.

Maybe we have a different definition of rankings? You don't necessarily "get" anything out of gaining a rank, unless the admin specifies certain boards which require a certain post count. It isn't like a special group with special administrative privileged or something...

Kaya wrote:But then again, we could also have forums that deduct post count if posted in, or if you move said post to that forum section, which could counter balance the spam.


I hope you mean doesn't count a post towards the post count. If posting somewhere dropped your post count, no one would post there. I know many forums with a free for all area or an area with forum games that doesn't increase your post count. These generally turn out nicely, however I dislike them because I feel that someone could be part of a community and deserve something to show for it without necessarily having that strong of an interest in the main area of the forum. As long as someone makes the forum experience better, they should deserve the credit for it.

Kaya wrote:I think banning someone over spam is a little harsh unless it's in excess, but anther option that could allow the post count reward system to would could be adding a couple more mods, and have them police the forums and every time that someone spams, add a counter to them like a point warning system, then on the 10th spam they get their post count manually knocked down by 30 posts.


Post count as a currency is not really a good idea... It is a great way to piss people off. I personally now believe spamming should result in banning, but of course with banning everything has to be done to at least some excess... No one is going to banned on their first offense unless it is child pornography or something... The reason I am against the warning system is because it just complicates a simple issue. It is rare that there are ever more than a few users even on popular forums that have issues with following the rules. It is very easy to keep track of who is on the verge of being banned. I personally like the three strike system, but the moderation here has a good idea of how to enforce rules.

Kaya wrote:(Admins can change a persons post count with phpbb last I checked.)


Unless they changed it recently, I am pretty sure that you need to download an add-on in order to change post count, however I am entirely against this, as I feel it makes a user''s contributions seem insignificant.

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On the topic of helping users get quality posts, there are plugins for phpbb in which users can like each other's posts (I mentioned this earlier in this thread as a matter of fact). The total likes your posts have received is then displayed on your profile (you can have it display on the side of your posts, but I don't like that because it clutters up your information on he side). The reason why this may be good is because it makes users think about what they post, as likes on their posts are an incentive (although fairly insignificant) to make better posts. It also shows moderators who is a good contributor to the forum and allow them to make decisions on consequential actions.

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I have also edited my first post on this thread with the suggestions I have made that currently are open-ended. By adding closed issues hopefully those who wanted to suggest similar things can see that they have already been discussed. When I have more suggestions in the future, I will post them to bump the topic along with update the first post. 3/11 have been closed, nice...
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Re: @@'s Small Suggestion Thread

Postby foxfire667 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:33 pm

Kaya wrote:...every time that someone spams, add a counter to them like a point warning system, then on the 10th spam they get their post count manually knocked down by 30 posts.

This solves nothing. All it does is allow for people to spam into infinity and not get punished for it (since post count is extremely arbitrary and holds no bearing on a user once soever). I'm pretty sure that someone who posted spam 10 consecutive times within a short period of time on a message board could give a crap less about obeying the forum rules, and is probably just trying to troll others or the staff. The reason why spam is at a warning and then a ban if done again is because the user knows they are doing it, and they are intentionally doing it for a given reason (perhaps to derail threads, annoy others, troll, etc etc).

I would say we are fairly lenient though with the punishments for breaking extremely simple forum rules to uphold. If you are posting like a fairly reasonable human being would, I highly doubt you'll break any of these established rules.

Oh and @_@, I do like the idea of forum ranks. They do seem like an interesting concept, and they would give people who frequent here a nifty little title to flaunt around when they post, which people seem to like. It seems like a little thing to make them feel more like they are a decent part of the community.
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